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Post by Brigitte on Aug 2, 2006 10:04:56 GMT -5
I so hope this will all have a good end and would appreciate if Roger & Brian will be involved in it more now - like they have when Queen was an "active" band with Freddie. It was a great fan club and I enjoyed being a member of it for years. Anyway, if they'll support it more actively (sp?) it would of course get the fan club back in it's old shape with the use of the new technology. I sincerly hope so anyway. And I am sure you are taking good care that it get's back to the top!
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Post by iluvrogertofqueen on Aug 2, 2006 11:02:38 GMT -5
It's raining over here too! send some rain to the USA, Philadelpia, Its like 104 degrees out today.
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Post by saturnnl on Aug 3, 2006 1:37:20 GMT -5
well sam, understand me correct, I do hope you are right and that the Queen fans can have a wonderful organisation in what they can find everything that Queenfans need
I do believe you of course, I know you a bit, and I do also believe that there are plans, but in my opinion they are too late. A few years ago it had been the great moment, for some reason there was nothing more then a shrug So you can understand that I am now just a bit impatient
There is a lot moving on in the Queenworld and it is time that so much good qualities unite and make something wonderful for the queenfan community Look further then the fanclub, so that you can join and coorparate with the initiatives that are taken And if the fanclub wants to join the initiatives it should better watch and open the walls for the ones who are willing and caring for Queenfans
And as for Roger(unlikely) and Brian(depens on his mood), I do hope they will support a bit more, what should be a huge change in attitude after all those years
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Post by isis on Aug 3, 2006 1:41:58 GMT -5
Brian and Roger need to and I hope will show more support in the future. Why do Brian and Roger NEED to show more support? They do not need to do anything for anyone - they have done their bit for us. If they chose to play for us or release a new cd or dvd well it is all a bonus. We chose to be their fans they don't need to do anything but just be themselves. If there is an event that they are attending at or involved in such as the WWRY FM BD Bash then the fans will go to that even if they are OIFC members or not.
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Post by Brigitte on Aug 3, 2006 3:33:43 GMT -5
Brian and Roger need to and I hope will show more support in the future. Why do Brian and Roger NEED to show more support? They do not need to do anything for anyone - they have done their bit for us. Because it would be a win-win situation for both parties. The first step that QPL noticed that the fan club is loved and important to fans was when Fan club members started a big campaign on the QOL board and the result was (if anybody noticed) a link button to the fan club website. That took QOL about what? 5 years? So this was a good sign. I bet JB was having headaches about that! ;D You are right that R&B don't need to do anything. But if they take their fans (and I am talking about those members that have supported the fan club for years even when there was nothing to support cause they weren't doing much) seriously they better do it. For their own reputation, for Jacky who was working her ass off all those years, etc. and for us fans who could then profit from it like they do now with the tickets for Freddie's 60th at the Dominion. That's my opinion anyway.
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Post by Spamvicious on Aug 3, 2006 5:31:47 GMT -5
Brian and Roger need to and I hope will show more support in the future. Why do Brian and Roger NEED to show more support? They do not need to do anything for anyone - they have done their bit for us. If they chose to play for us or release a new cd or dvd well it is all a bonus. We chose to be their fans they don't need to do anything but just be themselves. If there is an event that they are attending at or involved in such as the WWRY FM BD Bash then the fans will go to that even if they are OIFC members or not. How fans will get tickets for the WWRY FM bash is another thing. If they're not OIFC members it will be very difficult for them to get tickets because they are not on general sale. The guys should support the fan club more. They relied on the fan club for years to promote their stuff and to have fans at video shoots. They used the fan club for many many years to connect with the fans. Now the fan club needs some help back...seeing as the band have decided to use the crappy queenonline and stuff. I don't think thats too much to ask. Its the real fans who would want to be members of a fan club....the casual fans buy 1 or 2 records and maybe a gig ticket. The hardcore fans make or break an artists career. Now because they are big time they're not remembering this. 70% of the fans on the tour were the hardcore fans....there would have been a lot of empty seats/spaces if it wasnt for us lot. Its about time Brian and Roger realised this amid their big houses and fast cars.
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Post by Spamvicious on Aug 3, 2006 5:35:05 GMT -5
well sam, understand me correct, I do hope you are right and that the Queen fans can have a wonderful organisation in what they can find everything that Queenfans need I do believe you of course, I know you a bit, and I do also believe that there are plans, but in my opinion they are too late. A few years ago it had been the great moment, for some reason there was nothing more then a shrug So you can understand that I am now just a bit impatient There is a lot moving on in the Queenworld and it is time that so much good qualities unite and make something wonderful for the queenfan community Look further then the fanclub, so that you can join and coorparate with the initiatives that are taken And if the fanclub wants to join the initiatives it should better watch and open the walls for the ones who are willing and caring for Queenfans And as for Roger(unlikely) and Brian(depens on his mood), I do hope they will support a bit more, what should be a huge change in attitude after all those years So Hans because its a bit later than you wanted, you would prefer the fan club do nothing and just finish? I dont understand that mentality. Anything good happening for the fan club is a good thing for me. Everything is getting changed, memberships, the website, exclusives, the convention, contact with band members. (more info here..... www.keepqfcalive.com/) So if thats not good enough, then I doubt anything will be.
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Post by Brigitte on Aug 3, 2006 6:09:18 GMT -5
Now the fan club needs some help back...seeing as the band have decided to use the crappy queenonline and stuff. I think this is merely used as a vehicle to promote and make money. The boards are a lame substitute to try to connect the band with the fans. There simply is no connection (apart from the odd competition where you could win signed cd's, etc.) and it's absolutely no substitue for the fan club! Though I am sure that's part of what was intended with this. But it's not working. But they do profit from it more moneywise and c'mon, after all they want to earn money and that's ok on one hand. Its the real fans who would want to be members of a fan club....the casual fans buy 1 or 2 records and maybe a gig ticket. The hardcore fans make or break an artists career. Now because they are big time they're not remembering this. 70% of the fans on the tour were the hardcore fans....there would have been a lot of empty seats/spaces if it wasnt for us lot. Its about time Brian and Roger realised this amid their big houses and fast cars. On the other hand that's basically what I have to say about the fan club and R&B's support!. P.S. And that's probably what annoyed me most when talking about all those "young audiences" on the Jaapnese bonus disc because without all those hardcore fans the tour never would have been the success it was! (Ed: Please don't get the word "young" wrong, please. You can also replace it with "new". I was just quoting)
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Post by Spamvicious on Aug 3, 2006 7:01:54 GMT -5
hardcore fans are both young and old. The majority are of course older as they experienced everything the first time it happened. But there is also the younger lot like us. Also the JDFK guys who went to nearly every gig on the recent tour and nearly all of them are under 30
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Post by Brigitte on Aug 3, 2006 7:27:31 GMT -5
hardcore fans are both young and old. I know what you mean. I was just quoting Rog from that DVD and thought it was wrong the minute I heard it cause he was referring to new audiences and young people and said there were a "few old people". I am for example an old fan - not only in age but a fan since the early 80's. And was a fan club member for more of a decade. And there were lots of "us" at lots of gigs. That's what I meant. Sorry, not my best day. Hope you get what I mean. But it only makes sense anyway if you have seen the bonus disc. So forget my ramblings they were totally off-topic... Sorry for that!
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Post by Tina on Aug 3, 2006 7:43:32 GMT -5
They used to care a lot more about the fanclub in former times. Of course they don't NEED doing that, but they are supposed to continue the work with Jacky and Val because of those better times.
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Post by Alison the Aged Adolescent on Aug 3, 2006 12:46:34 GMT -5
If I may add my two cents here because I MAY be the only person here who can comment on the early fan club - mid-70s before Jacky. It definitely had its teething troubles but it was the beginnings of the success that Jacky managed to build on so well. There was the one point of contact - group to fans - promotions, events, etc. I also had a Japanese penpal through the club, emphasising the international nature of the Queen fan base early on. The FC was vital in keeping fan momentum going once the band had launched themselves.
Coming back after all this time, I'm clearly stating the obvious by saying that the internet has altered the nature of people's contact. However, as Brigitte rightly says, QOL is no substitute at all for the FC. I have NEVER ONCE received a single e-mail from QOL - even after registering for their mailings and complaining to the technical department. There's no opportunity there to chat with someone who's known the band for years. To be honest, QOL is, for me, reminiscent of the world of 'Ga Ga' - it's just for show because it's a commercial venture.
I don't, however, think that the FC should be kept going just for old times' sake - more to the point, it has a place for fans today. I think that the recent tour has shown that the band themselves had become distanced from the wishes of many fans and have also not adapted well to this new era. It's clear that a lot of things need an update - a re-examination of the contents of the mag, the convention etc. The band don't need the fan club to promote their music and therefore make money like they used to. But they do need it for the preservation of what Queen are all about - and that means a lot more than making money.
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Post by Tina on Aug 3, 2006 13:22:14 GMT -5
Thanks very much for giving us an insight on what the fanclub used to be like in former times. I also agree on most what you said about QOL. It's just that times have changed. The word has moved together. It's so much easier to get in touch with people than it was 20 years ago. The internet offers so many opportunities to virtually meet up with people from all over the world. Jacky has clearly missed to give those people a meeting point to chat about the music and the bad. Now QOL has jumped on this chance. That's not to countermand in my eyes.
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Post by isis on Aug 3, 2006 19:24:38 GMT -5
I have just read all these responses - I won't go through them individually if that is ok as I will just say similar stuff to all of them - I will touch on this key point though. QOL - QOL has a critical place in all of Queen's activities. It offers so much more to the fans than just a place to hang out and chat on the boards. If you spent some serious time in there (as some in here do) you would know that there are often posts up from Admin talking to the fans about possible dvd releases and so on and looking for feedback from us about the MUSIC. QOL is a key way for the fans to talk straight to the record company and also Queen Productions through the boards. All things aside, it is now the official communication point for us fans to talk to the record company and Queen Production. I think Jacky may need to reinvent her role as this use to be pretty much her role but there is no need for this role to exist as technology has made it possible for the fans to talk to QP and Hollywood records themselves and the result is that bigger and better stuff is getting created by these groups all the time.
I also see the negative push towards Bri and Rog from OIFC movements out there as counter productive and I don't see that these movements have the best interest of Bri and Rog at hand and such movements will just make them close the door more and more to the fan base (which they can do as most other bands exist this way now). Brian speaks to the fans on BrianMay.com through his soapbox - this is probably the best thing anyone is doing out there for the fans as we get to hear what Brian has to say out there. He is speaking to us all from his own space out there. I think it is a great asset to the fan base that he does this and it is something I appreciate very much.
I still think that Bri and Rog do not OWE us or any club anything. As for the past dealings with the OIFC they have more than paid them back adequately. Why must the OIFC try to force the guys to be active in their own dealings - after all OIFC is a separate business making money off the Queen name. Bri and Rog don't actually have to do anything for any other business but their own - and they do contribute to the OIFC and what they give seems to never be enough as there is always more demands on them to do this or do that for someone else’s business that is making money off their name that they created and work bloody hard to get where they are today. I think the focus of the OIFC is no longer Brian, Roger, Freddie and John and their music (and this is what it should all be about). It appears to me and many others that OIFC focus is itself and the guys are being forced to comply in order for the OIFC to make money to exist. This is not what many fans go to the OIFC and join up endorse. So whilst there is a small amount of support in the fan base for this sort of behaviour to continue there is an even bigger one out there calling for it to stop and the OIFC to return to it's roots - OIFC should be there for the fans and for Queen not for the OIFC.
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Post by Tina on Aug 4, 2006 0:22:22 GMT -5
Alison, you might wanna know what people have to say on the German fan club board. You can find this thread here: www.queenfcg.de/forumneu/viewtopic.php?t=2344Most of them blame Jacky and Val for the fan club going through hard times at the moment. There was no improvement they say.
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