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Post by iluvrogertofqueen on May 14, 2006 10:51:06 GMT -5
I agree Bridgett I believe Jacky way before I believe some of those so called fans on QOL. I can't believe how fans are slagging off Roger like that. geeeeeeeshhhhhhhh some just dont respect. why even be a fan in that case.
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Tiggy
The Also Rans
"Happiness is all around"
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Post by Tiggy on May 14, 2006 11:14:59 GMT -5
I see your way Brigitte, I understand it also that way. And that is so sad for me! Everyone knows Roger, everyone knows Roger's a bit lazy with all the fan stuff and so on, ask anybody - anybody will tell that, and then suddenly the same people acuse him of such things! If they know he's lazy, then why all that talk now?? So he behaves awfully - that's how they see him always - then why bother? What did (didn't) he do THAT night which he hasn't done already before (meaning they think he did wrong). I see it that way: if he really didn't give a damn, then why was he so damned good during the recent tour (Europe and US) and why was he so praised by all those people? I just don't understand...
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Post by roberta on May 14, 2006 11:23:56 GMT -5
Another "2 cents", from me this time. I'm ready to believe Roger has been ill or something, and IF he has, we don't really know how serious that was. On the other hand, he hadn't to make a whole speech on the WWRY anniversary...a couple of words would have been enough . I don't know if you ever saw Roger's appearance in the italian program "Maurizio Costanzo Show" back in '94...I found it on Emule...he sang "Happiness" and then went away without even a wave of his hand! He seems to do things like that sometimes...ill or not . That's what makes people angry with him, I think - though he can be so smiling and friendly on other occasions (BTW, I'm just relying on what I read or see on the net, because I've never had the pleasure to meet him so far ).
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Post by Jmochampion on May 14, 2006 12:18:53 GMT -5
It does my head in that if roger hadn't turned up they'd be slagging him off something critical for not even being bothered , but he did turn up. Just because he didn't stop and say anything they're all slagging him off. I wonder if Brian would be getting the same raw deal. I would like to think that perhaps he would coz like I said before it doesn't matter what they do, they just can't please any of us or so it seems!! My heart goes out to Rog (as you would expect) if he is indeed ill (I don't know what to think about that), then you can forgive him for not saying anything and running away!! If he's not ill then well he better have a damned good excuse but then they don't have to stop all the time as they've shown us in the past!! Just my thoughts - basically I agree with Brigitte's post lol
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Post by roberta on May 14, 2006 13:35:26 GMT -5
I can understand not stopping for fans and just wave at them, or not performing at the WWRY anniversary like Brian did if he wasn't fine. But sure he could have said something like "Thanks everyone" instead of "No thanks", for example... ... just 2 words anyway, you know... ...that's all . And it comes to my head, also, that when Freddie was awfully ill already (february of '91) he tried to play the part and smile bravely at the Brit Awards ceremony. Yes, Brian did all the talk, but neither Roger nor John spoke, just like Freddie did...
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Post by Tina on May 14, 2006 14:01:01 GMT -5
Brian can be pretty bitchy towards his fans, too. I'm just recalling the soapbox entries, where he moaned about his dislike of giving autographs or stopping for pictures. That was certainly not very nice from him afterwards either. Because he hardly says no, if he is asked for autographs or pics. I don't like the thinking of Brian and Roger in a "god guy/bad guy" way. It's just not fair. Brian has always been more open in respect of the fans. Even in the old days with Freddie. That's just him. Not everybody can be like him. If he enjoys that, fine. Just do not moan about it afterwards, curly!
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Post by Alison the Aged Adolescent on May 14, 2006 14:24:14 GMT -5
If he enjoys that, fine. Just do not moan about it afterwards, curly! Yes I agree. I find that kind of thing really contradictory too. I think people who have a picture taken with him or get an autograph from him must think he resents it afterwards. I'm sure I've said that before on this forum.
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Post by Alison the Aged Adolescent on May 14, 2006 16:11:19 GMT -5
Roger has said that Brian's keener on the musical than he is and it appears that he definitely wanted to tour more than anything. Everyone has off-days and the priority is getting the music right. Actually, as my ex-husband is from Africa, I know that there they sent messages to each other on drums. Maybe that's the solution for his lordship's communication rather than expecting him to speak or write LOL
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Post by cooper on May 15, 2006 0:30:10 GMT -5
Mainly I think in the same line as Roberta does Now that he appeared on stage he could have say something... only one or two nice words.... wouldn´t have been too much ..... or he could have told Brian to make an excuse for not saying anything. Come on, it wouldn´t have been such a deliver insight his holy privat life to say he´s ill. That´s of course no need to slag him off in this way some people do now on QOL A bit overreacting in my opinion.
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Post by cooper on May 15, 2006 0:33:40 GMT -5
....... I know that there they sent messages to each other on drums. Maybe that's the solution for his lordship's communication rather than expecting him to speak or write LOL *lol* but then he should have drummed his message on the stage or recorded it for the convention ;D ;D
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Post by roberta on May 15, 2006 2:37:24 GMT -5
Brian can be pretty bitchy towards his fans, too. I'm just recalling the soapbox entries, where he moaned about his dislike of giving autographs or stopping for pictures. Yes, I saw them too, of course . And it's not nice...but at the same time, I personally think that autographs (and even pics) are not that much. I mean, if I had the chance to see Brian, I'd prefer to use that precious little moment to tell him how much Queen/his music means to me...to GIVE him something back, instead of ASKING him for more (even if that "more" is just an autograph). That's what I do when I'm lucky enough to meet an artist I like...Mind you, I'm not saying anything against people who go for autographs or pics (I'd like to have a pic taken with them too ). but I can understand that being always REQUESTED for something more than GIVEN something can be a little disappointing in the end...
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Post by Brigitte on May 15, 2006 2:42:57 GMT -5
only one or two nice words.... wouldn´t have been too much ..... or he could have told Brian to make an excuse for not saying anything. If he had said "Thank you" he would have been slagged off for not saying more. If Brian would have said that Roger's ill and unable to speak he would have been slagged off as well. As I said - whatever he had done would be wrong. The only *right* thing to do would have been playing with the band and making a speech! And about Brian being bitchy afterwards: Completely agree with what Eliza said. I do have one autograph of Brian from 1980! Then I read his first soapbox entry about how he hated that, etc. Even 20+ years later it made me angry and feel bad. Then I do appreciate Roger's attitude: If he's in the mood he's very willing to obey to fan's wishes and if not he just buggers off!
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Post by roberta on May 15, 2006 3:12:08 GMT -5
Roger has said that Brian's keener on the musical than he is and it appears that he definitely wanted to tour more than anything. Yes, that much is true . But Roger doesn't always make appearances like that, does he? He was on stage on various occasions, during the premieres, and he acted in a very different way...It's not a case of "bad days" or "good days", IMHO. If you're on a stage and involved in something, you should try to come across to people nicely while you're there...then you can get off that stage and go away and not being charged with any other duties...mmmh, it's difficult for me to explain what I mean. Let's say, it's not like you have to LIE when you're on stage - but as you're doing your bit and that's the life that you chose, you should respect people who like you and are there for you and just ask you to perform an artist's task...or people who actually WORK with you in a way (like those guys from the musical). Just a couple of nice words - no more...No one is saying that Roger should have performed like Brian did (especially if he wasn't well or whatever) or stayed there all night long meeting fans (though that would have been nice, but again...it's part of the offstage thing...and again, someone said he had health problems...). Surely Roger isn't involved in all those things (from the musical to American Idol) just to gratify Brian - is he? I suppose he chose to do all that, or agreed at least... Please don't have a go at me for this - I LOVE Roger, and if I were asked to make a choice between talking (I said...TALKING - LOL!) to Brian or to him, I'd say "Roger" without any esitation...it's just that certain things make me feel sad...for the very reason I LOVE him! (And I'm not saying that those of you who hold a different opinion don't love him...there are so many different kinds of love .
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Post by Tiger Taylor on May 15, 2006 3:49:32 GMT -5
OK, here are my 2 cents... Have the "fans" on QOL ever considered the fact that maybe Brian is too nice?? IMO he's one of the most friendly rock stars on this planet, which makes Roger look "bad" no matter what he does... Don't blame Roger for not being Brian!! At least Roger is always honest, if he doesn't feel like signing stuff or take pix, he lets you know. He's not acting friendly but moaning afterwards like Brian does... This is such a useless discussion...
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Post by Brigitte on May 15, 2006 4:47:31 GMT -5
Please don't have a go at me for this - I LOVE Roger, and if I were asked to make a choice between talking (I said...TALKING - LOL!) to Brian or to him, I'd say "Roger" without any esitation...it's just that certain things make me feel sad...for the very reason I LOVE him! (And I'm not saying that those of you who hold a different opinion don't love him...there are so many different kinds of love . Roberta, I hope you didn't understand my post as having a go at you. This is just a discussion with different opinions among grown ups. That's what message boards are for! We cannot always agree on everything or on everything he does (in this case what he doesn't! ). This is such a useless discussion... I don't think we will ever come to a general opinion what's right, better, etc. But I would not call it useless. ;D
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